Nic didn’t clarify but I didn’t get knocked out by a stray fist from a kid moshing. A kid came up and bashed my head multiple times till I was laying on the ground in the girls room. If that is a south florida thing RIP to all the kids that must die at shows in Florida. It’s cool though I’ll never give up the mosh. I just have the guts to actually mosh instead of leaving the pit to try to claim my territory by knocking out a kid half my size. (damn I just realized that sounded pretty angry and hostile. I was angry at the “moshing” not you man)
saturday I went to see Incendiary Rude Awakening and some other local bands in AC. everyone there was pretty much hate-moshing and crowd-killing the whole time(buncha dweebs). Anyway, 2 or 3 songs into RA’s set, my friend gets knocked out while he was just standing on the side by…
Yeah, this is kind of a dumb opinion.
There’s a difference between enjoying yourself moshing and purposely running around punching or kicking people in the face because you think it makes you look cool or hard, and you expect you can get away with it. One of them makes you look like you’re having fun, the other makes you look like an asshole.
Saying you don’t like crowd killing hardly equates to saying you want hardcore to be a safe controlled space where no one risks getting hurt at all. Think of it this way: If you play hockey, there’s a good chance that at some point, you’ll accidentally be tripped or slashed by someone. That happens sometimes. You get a little mixed up sometimes and trip over someone or someone hits you with their stick not really being careful with what they’re doing. That doesn’t mean that it’s always and at any time ok when it happens, just because it happening accidentally is normal. It’s still a foul. Same way with crowd killing.
If someone’s standing by the side and they happen to get hit with a fist or kicked, tough shit, that happens at shows. But that doesn’t mean Mr.Cool Bro and his friend are ok running over to people in a corner and starting to just throw punches at them to hit them. If they do that, guess what? They’re douches. When I go to shows, I expect if I stand right near the sides without being behind anyone, that eventually, I’ll probably get hit. I don’t expect Andy from Audubon deciding to run over to me, grab me, and start bashing me in the face and in my neck with punches. Not the same thing, man. And saying I think Andy from Audubon is being a dick when he does that doesn’t mean that I think there should be no violence in hardcore at all. All it means is that I think Andy from Audubon is being a dick when he does that, and he needs to chill out.
That’s just pretending that the only options are extremes, as if the only option at shows is that anyone’s allowed to decide to hit anyone else, at any time, in any way, and no one should complain because if they do, they’re being a baby. Fuck that. People can mosh without deciding to purposely hit people in the crowd.
I draw the line at intentionally singling out one individual and beating on them, or girls. Grabbing one person and punching them in the head and neck for no reason is fucking stupid and not pitting, I agree. I’m saying if you’re in a crowd of people at a hardcore show and someone hits you, kicks you or ends up on top of your head it’s not something worth getting upset about. I don’t get how people don’t mosh into the sides of the crowd to be honest. Maybe it’s a south/florida thing.